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Aranno Way |
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Posts: 508 (06/29/07 20:00:52) |
Thanks Bob for your knowledge and insights, your input always completes the missing link or aspect that we all have to consider on the continuity of history when dealing with the elements and conditions that we face and ask ourselves why is it set up this way.
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delawaredan |
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Posts: 94 (06/29/07 22:33:56) DAN The Man |
one should not put too much emphasis on any one belief system that reveals the truth. whatever path, or book, is used in order to become a seer is not the issue. my mother is jewish and my father is quaker. i spent much of my youth reading eastern philosophy such as the Tao Te Ching due to my discontent with the monotheistic religions. when i discovered the teachings of Don Juan, i knew not to focus on the teachings but on the results. if one becomes obsessed with the teaching or belief system, they have become trapped. the teaching was merely a way to shift awareness, but you do not want to stay at that assemblage point forever. the result is the ability to switch the assemblage point, to use intent. this cannot be done if we are trying to compare jesus to carlos; to determine who is the better nagual.....what is the better book of magic.
the way that can be spoken of is not the constant way (Lao-tzu) daniel |
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Posts: 908 (06/30/07 06:21:26) Bright Flame |
"one should not put too much emphasis on any one belief system that reveals the truth. whatever path, or book, is used in order to become a seer is not the issue. my mother is jewish and my father is quaker."
But are your mother and /or father seers? "i spent much of my youth reading eastern philosophy such as the Tao Te Ching due to my discontent with the monotheistic religions. when i discovered the teachings of Don Juan" I think a lot of us have similar backgrounds. With me as a child my parents tried to raise me Catholic. But I found no answers. As a young man I found the Castaneda books and found the "how to" of opening the doors of the spirit. Lost in the unknown territory, I had to find more answers, and since there were no teachers of sorcery in my area, I took to reading books and found that the Qabalah had answers. That led me to Western Mysticism and the Bible and soon after to my teacher John Scudder who taught on those subjects. He was also a master of the Kundalini and a faith healer. He, in his turn had also searched for years for both answers and for the "highest form of magic" as he put it. He was directed by a budhist monk to the Qabala when he asked him which was the highest form of magic. "i knew not to focus on the teachings but on the results. if one becomes obsessed with the teaching or belief system, they have become trapped. the teaching was merely a way to shift awareness, but you do not want to stay at that assemblage point forever." The study of the Qabala which is really the deeper study of the Bible is a roadmap of awareness or assemblage points. Four worlds, Ten sephiroth in each world, the God names, Archangels, angels, archdemons, demons and elementals assigned to each sephirah in each tree in each world. To become trapped is to step into that without a roadmap. To use that roadmap is to never come to an end of assemblage points to explore. "the result is the ability to switch the assemblage point, to use intent. this cannot be done if we are trying to compare Jesus to Carlos; to determine who is the better nagual.....what is the better book of magic." The Don Juan teachings were a better introduction for me because I would never had looked at the Bible for answers, so it would not have been usefull. I would never compare Jesus to Carlos. There is no comparison. What I do is to point out that there are elements in the teachings of Don Juan that are also in the Bible. Methods of opening the doors of our perception. After opening those doors a person is confronted by beings and realms that are completely unfamiliar. Some very good, some very bad. Without a roadmap or guide an initiate is lost. The big difference between Don Juan and Jesus is that Jesus still teaches those who are lost. Don Juan does not. "the way that can be spoken of is not the constant way (Lao-tzu)" "I am the way, the truth and the life.. (Jesus Christ)" Again, no comparison. Bob
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SSilhouette |
The Abstract Core of Enlightenment | ||
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Posts: 292 (06/30/07 07:37:47) Warrior |
You're stuck in your Catholic inventory more than I thought Bob May. My dad was raised catholic too and he is so trapped by that complete brainwashing though he was excommunicated and rejected that religion when he was 19 years old (he's now 75). For 56 years he's been trying to pull his mind out of that FI.
Quote: Exactly. And the difference between the Bible and the teachings of don Juan is that the Bible gives strict codes to adhere to. It encourages stale inventories and discourages personal freedom. Whereas the teachings of don Juan encourage abandoning even his inventories at a given point and only looking at abstract cores behind them. Where in the Bible does it say, in essence, "ignore the nuts and bolts you see here and just shine your own link in your own way." If it says that, then that would be a minority of what is written in the Bible...an afterthought...alluded to in an offhand way instead of drilled into its reader. With don Juan's wisdom we have personal empowerment and freedom mentioned every third sentence. In fact when I was studying the Bible and all of its misogynistic "laws", I kept thinking to myself: "this has very little to do with what an enlightened being would teach". It felt like a trap set up for the dull of wits to ensnare their perception into a certain fold: that of 9th century Roman redactors to be exact...and I can assure you that a bunch of powerful roman men in that century would've edited and omitted the crap out of an enlightened beings teachings if they flew directly in the face of their powerhold. That being namely, the subjegation and overlordship over women of all classes and peasant or workingclass men. If Jesus taught of equality for women (which many scholars believe is true: that women held equal status in the earliest christian followings) then upon the continuing redaction (redaction= "reworking") of the Bible by powerful roman men, often posing as "christians", then anything that even hinted of their underlings realizing personal empowerment would've been, and in fact was, "redacted". It would be akin to reading the KKK's version of the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King. Along that lines of "sincere inclusion" of actual statements of Dr. King's. In the early days, Jesus was an upstart that many powerful romans objected to in a big way. However, his followers were too numerous so instead of pounding that ideology out of existance, the savy and wiley Constantine incorporated the roman version of Jesus' teachings to keep the masses in line, faithful to the roman overule and subdued. Quote: Later, the redactors continued the tradition of whittling away the original knowledge of the master Jesus: Quote: And where is the Vatican today, the supposed "uberauthority" on all things "christian". Oh, yes, that would be Rome, Italy. The Bible...yeah, right... But unfortunately it and the parts of the Gnostic gospels that weren't redacted to death are all we have of this great enlightened being's teachings. Sifting through it all takes seeing. Finding the lost parts takes seeing. And seeing was given to us via don Juan. You say don Juan isn't helping people as Jesus does. I say you're wrong. Who knows where don Juan's awareness is lodged right now? How do we know he wasn't dedicated to our betterment and via his legacy we will reach the abstract cores of enlightenment that many masters have taught since the dawn of time? Don Juan taught: follow a path with a heart, all others are dead-end roads. In a nutshell, this is the entire summation of all of Jesus' teachings. This is the abstract core in fact that binds all religions of the world. The rest of it is all human excrement and dated inventories of old civilizations which, like all civilizations, have their heads mostly lodged deep in their asses. "The Reality Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
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Posts: 94 (06/30/07 14:06:24) DAN The Man |
Thank you Sil
i may not be a great debater but i feel as if the bible holds many stale inventories. in fact, the entire jewish tradition is tied to the laws of the torah in which strict adherence is needed. a trap which does not promote personal freedom. as for jesus christ...i try not to say this when someone is such a jesus zealot but...the statement that jesus makes in regards to being the only way, path, and light...is pompous bullshit. this is extremely limiting of personal freedom. i was trying to state that any path to enlightenment could become a trap if one believes it is the only way. jesus demands that his way is the only way and for those who reject it...what happens. |
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Posts: 292 (06/30/07 19:52:41) Warrior |
Actually there is evidence that Jesus did not say his way was the only way. And remember, the only records we have of what the man actually
did say were heavily redacted to reflect the agendas of powerful roman men. And remember: these men
hated Jesus. So, yeah. Read the Bible for what it's worth in accurate reflection of what really went down way way way back then.
Like I said, we need to see Jesus' teachings. There is no other way to be accurate. And in that way don Juan gave us a greater tool than the Bible. This is where Bob May and I diverge in opinion. (I hate to do this to you but..) Quote: This passage indicates that Jesus acknowledges that other prophets must address different generations. Don Juan is a more recent one. And so on... This is in keeping also with "The tonal of the times". Each "prophet" addresses a different generation. And different phrophets address even different subcultures within the same generation. From the gangs of East LA to the monastries of spiritually sublime regions there is a person, a warrior, whose link to the spirit shines with extraordinary clarity. Jesus was addressing the tonal of the Middle East and outlying areas circa AD 20-30. Of course much of his shifting inventories seem absurd today. But the abstract cores apply as if it were yesterday. See? I think it's interesting that there were rumors going around back in his day that Jesus was a sorcerer.. But that doesn't explain exactly what he was doing.. "sorcerer" is a quasi-accurate term, but will have to suffice.
"The Reality Is That You Will Die. The
Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
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delawaredan |
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Posts: 94 (06/30/07 20:21:11) DAN The Man |
that is what i see when i read the teachings of jesus.....
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Aranno Way |
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Posts: 508 (07/01/07 07:03:41) |
The teachings of D.J. have always been more of a tangible means for me to perceive the abstract and act but the bible lays out the elements but seems to lack the tangible aspects to readily use without much deciphering to act in a readily fashion.
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Bob May |
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Posts: 908 (07/01/07 07:25:28) Bright Flame |
Exactly. And the difference between the Bible and the teachings of don Juan is that the Bible gives strict codes to adhere to. It encourages stale inventories and discourages personal freedom.
And hidden in those Old Testament codes as you call them, or Law as I do is what the New Testament calls the "perfect Law of Liberty". Men asked for the Law and got it. Hidden within the Law is Truth. It is all in how you read it. ((That Law (the harsh OT law) was done away with at the cross. Along with the Old Covenant. If any preacher tells you different, he is anti-Christ. Or against what Christ taught.)) If it wasn't hidden, the book would have been burned long ago by those, who over the centuries, have used the books to control the masses. Very good research, by the way. Is that from Elaine Pagels books? She is very good at piecing together the religious/political atmosphere of the first few centuries AD. I think you and I are not so different. I would just suggest that you don't assume that just because someone claims to be Christian that you should take them at their word. That would go for the entire Catholic church as an organization, (in my opinion), and most people I've met that make the same claims. Throw Constantine in there also. Jesus warned of that. Christians are about as rare as sorcerers. It would be akin to reading the KKK's version of the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King. Along that lines of "sincere inclusion" of actual statements of Dr. King's. Though the books in the New Testament (which are mostly letters) were chosen and rejected, the books of the Old Testament were kept intact. There is the problem for those who used it for their own ends. Firstly they didn't understand it because to "see" the New Testament hidden within the Old Testament books, our eyes must be opened. Secondly, even if they had "seen" that, they could not get rid of the books or they would have been geting rid of their supposed claim to power and exclusive connection to the Almighty. They did the next best thing. They translated everything to Latin to keep it from the uneducated masses. But unfortunately it and the parts of the Gnostic gospels that weren't redacted to death are all we have of this great enlightened being's teachings. Sifting through it all takes seeing. Finding the lost parts takes seeing. And seeing was given to us via don Juan. I will agree that I "Saw" as a result of Don Juan's methods. But I have "seen" a lot more since I first stopped the world. You say don Juan isn't helping people as Jesus does. I didn't say that. I said Jesus teachings go furhter. I say you're wrong. I've heard worse said about me. Who knows where don Juan's awareness is lodged right now? Don Juan knows. How do we know he wasn't dedicated to our betterment and via his legacy we will reach the abstract cores of enlightenment that many masters have taught since the dawn of time? Why would we assume any of this? He never claimed "dedication to our betterment" that I recall. I believe his story was that the Nagual pointed him to Carlos to teach him. And though "seeing" has come VIA Don Juan's teachings and methods to some, it does not come FROM Don Juan. Even Jesus did not claim as a man to be the source of his abilities, but as a recipient from the Unknowable Father via the Spirit. But one thing he did claim was to make his abode in us. He and the Father and the Spirit. Jesus warned of those coming in his name saying that he was Christ. He was warning us against the wiles of religious leaders and so called Christians. I take those warnings seriously. But he also said that his words would abide forever. Not just in the books, but all around us. Bob
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delawaredan |
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Posts: 94 (07/01/07 08:10:08) DAN The Man |
can we agree to disagree Bob....i do not believe that the perfect law was revealed in the bible.
i do not discredit your belief or any belief.... i am curious about one thing....what do you believe happens to an individual who does not accept jesus christ as the only way to enlightenment. |
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Posts: 908 (07/01/07 09:31:12) Bright Flame |
"can we agree to disagree Bob....i do not believe that the perfect law was revealed in the bible."
Of course, You are the master of what you allow yourself to believe. As am I. I only give my own opinions based on my own studies and meditations over the years. It is my opinion that there were two "Perfect Laws" in the Bible. Just to make my point a little more clear. One to paint us into a corner, and one to let us out. "i am curious about one thing....what do you believe happens to an individual who does not accept jesus christ as the only way to enlightenment." Good question, right to the heart of the matter. In other words, am I laying another law upon people and am I a hypocrite? To answer that question, I will tell a story that I heard long ago. I may not get the details correct, but it goes something like this. A missionary went to a far off land. I believe it was India. While there, he, in the process of spreading the Gospel to the native people, was told of a holy man that lived alone up on a mountain. He decided to visit him and tell him the good news. After a long climb up the mountain he met the holy man and told him the story of Jesus and all that he had done. At this, the holy man replied; "Hey, I know him." The problem is that people mix Jesus and Christ together. Jesus was the chosen vessel that was prophecied throughout O.T. scripture to bring about the lifting of the Law that was brought by Moses. Where Moses brought the Law, Jesus brought Grace (a gift) and Truth (God is not mad at anybody). Anyone who has an awareness of Grace as Reality already knows the essence of Jesus' message. Those people will not buy into a Wrathful, comdemning God. Since Christ, or Christ Consciousness (whether it is called that in your langauge or not) is a necessary awareness "on the way back" to the Father, Nagual or Source of All, then the person who reaches Oneness, must "pass through" that same level of awareness. Another way of looking at it is through the geneology of Jesus. Abraham = the belief in things invisible to,.. David = The knowledge that God does not hold our sin against us,.. to Jesus = God is my salvation. These are levels of "seeing" or awakening to the Truth. The O.T. characters were analogies, symbols of our waking up to reality. You have to have the Abraham awareness or belief that there is an invisible world "out there" to progress at all towards "seeing". You have to go through the level of awareness symbolised by David, which is; (God is not holding all of my screw-ups against me) to go any further toward becoming One with the infinite. I know that the people on this list have reached at least the first Abraham awareness or you would not be here. And I can tell when a person is at least touching on the David awareness by the very fact that the holding a grudge by God does not sound God-like to them. The entire lineage of Jesus is a roadmap to Oneness. Those of the family line from Abraham to Christ were given the "Covenant" = Promise of circumcision. The Covenant, not the Commandment. It is symbolic of the removing of the "Veils of Flesh" so that we can "see" into the spiritual realms. As paul says it is the true circumcision of the heart. Like onion skins as Don Juan put it. The moving of the assemblage point towards the core of our being. The promises are given to those who remove the veils. The end result is Christ Consciousness. And then Oneness with the All. No one cometh to the Father but through me. Jesus was speaking as Christ. Bob
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delawaredan |
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Posts: 94 (07/01/07 11:22:30) DAN The Man |
i apologize, but i still did not decipher an answer in your response. let me put it this way, is "christ" the only way to see? are we able to see with out "christ" and the OT symbolism.
i do not believe in god...but i believe in the ability to move the assemblage point and to seek freedom upon death. there are many philosophies that have helped many different cultures and lineages; christ, the OT are but a few in the history of mankind. i really do appreciate your views...you explain the Oneness that was taught by jesus and "christ" with controlled intent and mastery as this conversion will not be solved upon a forum posting, i again thank you for your views and my challenge |
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Posts: 908 (07/01/07 11:51:09) Bright Flame |
"i apologize, but i still did not decipher an answer in your response. let me put it this way, is "christ" the only way to see? are we able to
see with out "christ" and the OT symbolism."
Yes, but the point I am trying to make is how far do you want to see. How deeply toward the source. i do not believe in god...but i believe in the ability to move the assemblage point and to seek freedom upon death. Then, you do believe in the invisible side of things and that is good. Most people believe in "something" out there. Some intelligence. In my opinion, "agreements from the world around us" or "reaffirmations" prove that intelligence. Others need more proof. That's O.K too. How we view that intelligence has as many variations as there are human beings. Even two different people from the same school of thought do not percieve the reality of this universe identically and should not. We are individuals with individual points of view. I am just trying to share mine.
Bob
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SSilhouette |
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Posts: 292 (07/01/07 14:05:10) Warrior |
Here is an eerily similar description given by an NDE that reflects don Juan's description of "the filaments" that impress themselves on people via the Assemblage Point (AP) and cause perception of that specific bundle of filaments..also seeing, dreaming, allies, the unknown and the unknowable, and the use of psychotropic plants to shift the AP...no less!
Quote: "The Reality Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
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Posts: 908 (07/01/07 17:34:45) Bright Flame |
Thanks SSil,
Excellent post. Good descriptions of both the lines of the earth and seeing peoples souls in their faces. Bob Bob
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Posts: 508 (07/01/07 18:48:41) |
Sil the link that you just provided is the same as when I'm in the second attention the same feeling of no unanswered questions and the revealings of what is and how I'm associated with it.
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Posts: 90 (07/18/07 18:28:41) Member |
Now I want an account of an ADE or At Death Experience, or I am going to scream real loud.
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Posts: 317 (12/20/08 09:28:46) |
In spiritual affairs NDE should be called near-life experiences. In imminent death we are immensely more connected to life that in our normal state. The issue is keeping death as a permanent war adviser instead of an adviser when things go sourer. In the end is not ourselves the ones that fear death but our self-important and indulgent egos. They see the end of the game and run away!
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Posts: 25 (01/21/09 05:03:47) Member |
I had been an information freak in the1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet. I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped. So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alterna¬tive healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side. I ended up in hospice care. I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 AM, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me. Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house. There was this Light shining. I turned toward the Light. The Light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms. As I began to move toward the Light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the Light, I would be dead. So as I was moving toward the Light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go." To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are in control of your life after death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the Light. The Light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs. I asked the Light, "What is going on here? Please, Light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation." I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The Light responded. The information transferred to me was that during your life after death experience your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the Light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not. As the Light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our higher Self matrix. We all have a higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source. So the Light was showing me the higher Self matrix. I was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me during my life after death experience. As I asked the Light to keep clearing for me, to keep explaining, I understood what the higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say. Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time. I said "I am ready, take me." Then the Light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet. Now I came to this with my negative view of what was happening on the planet. So as I asked the Light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant. I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are." At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are. The revelations coming from the Light and seemed to go on and on, then I asked the Light, "Does this mean that Mankind will be saved?" Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world." In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about. I thanked the Light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of total appreciation: "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I Love My Life." The Light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the Light was completely absorbing me. The Love Light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of Light, vast and full, deep in the Heart of Life. I asked what this was. The Light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content." So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of Life Itself! I was in ecstasy. Then the Light said, "You have a desire." The Light knew all about me, everything past, present and future. "Yes!" I whispered. I asked to see the rest of the Universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The Light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried Through the Light at the End of the Tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush! Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of Life. I saw the earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the Universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this Universe! As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the Universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a Wonder Child; a babe in Wonderland! At this point, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time/the First Word/the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations. The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this. It took me years after I returned from my near-death experience to assimilate any words at all for the Void experience. I can tell you this now: the Void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The Void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is Absolute Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence. The Void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the 0 space in your own body and the Universe than anything else! What mystics call the Void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first Word, which is the first vibration. The biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it. "I am-What am I?" So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an on¬going, infinite exploration through every one of us. I began to see during my near-death experience that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the Void. As I was exploring the Void during my life after death experience and all the Yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about Absolute Pure Consciousness, or God, coming into the Experience of Life as we know it. The Void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than Life and Death. Therefore there is even more than Life and Death to experience in the Universe! When I realized this I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second Light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy, which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the Light of God; everything is very intelligent. As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge Light coming. I knew it was the First Light; the higher Self Light Matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the Light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms. I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the Music of the Spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The earth's Wonder child (human beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe. The Light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen during my life after death experience. I don't know how long I was with the Light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are Universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call Life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree. And that is very important to the rest of us in this Universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of Life. We are literally God exploring God's self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of Life. As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the Light and the Life process. As the stream merged with the great Light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side. There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul. Then I was taken back through the Light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons from my near-death experience on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had: "How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated. The earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet, right where we are. I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. My body was stiff and inflexible. She went into the other room. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk," ran in and found me on the floor. When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me during my near-death experience. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one. Within three days I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of my near-death experience came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that. About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news. I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now." I said, "Really, it must be a miracle"' He said "No, these things happen; they are called spontaneous remission." He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was. During my near-death experience I had a descent into what you might call Hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into Hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that Light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the Light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me and insulated me from all that fear and pain, That is what Hell really is. So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of Hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of Hell together. The Light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?" It expressed to me that it was my oversoul, my higher Self matrix, a super ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the Light. Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ... God. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along. As I saw forever, I came to a realm during my near-death experience in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us. Since my return I have experienced the Light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die or have a near-death experience to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already. The body is the most magnificent Light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible Light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here. I asked God: "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?" And Godhead said, with great love: "I don't care." That was incredible grace. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the big picture; it is all important. I went over to the other side during my near-death experience with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "we do not need this any more." Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my near-death experience loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers" YES! The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy. After dying, going through my near-death experience and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it. As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body, that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.
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to be precise... no one knows that time exists outside corporeality......
it is the logical mind that runs on rails made of time and patterns of life witnessed! conversations between the three deaths... (murder, disease,suicide) and the diferent mind styles.. or even afterlives... LIMBO for instance, purgatory,etc..... it is the mind that allows a murderer to believe his victim is someone other than himself reflected... and hence to feel guilt! or the part of hiself he has energeticly cut from his worlds. It is the mind that makes the shape of a ghost that is not a unit , but a remnant of a state of persistence of a particular tonal function!.. i.e. stair walking, digging in the garden! there is some debate as to the logical minds reaction during suicide.. and to which point of consensual consiousness it latches.. to give it limbo states.... one thing is certain the mind is a menace to the "livings peception of the dead".... Time is a menace to "the livings perception of the dead!! "AFTER" is a time based concept based on the mind... as are all remnants of the living! the best plan i can come up with to safeguard an ininite journey.. is to find an energetic method with which to make certain... that all remanants of my mind are not only destroyed by my souls release.... but that all memories of me are turned into heart lessons for those i met in this life! their joy being my freedom.. and nothing remains...... but the soul being present before birth and after death... means the journey is not "after" as such.. but a retraction away from the mind in line with life .. to i suspect a point of origin... that will spew me toward another mortal journey!... the less mess i leave... the more likeley the next journey will have a stranger lesson! this is why all energetic attatchement is frowned apon! the world is full of fools who use energetic attatchment to get what they want... these people will never leave this planet on any journey... being inertia itself.. why the mind has inertial properties is a question indeed.... I presume that if it inspires warriors to find freedom, it has a purpose! but oneday its purpose will be fulffilled... and the fool will cease to be necissary!... like the stone age, the age of mind will give way to the age of reason!... a warrior is near death at all times in fact he aims for it... without times presence!
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