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SSilhouette	Near Death Experiences	Lead	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/18/07 08:58:03) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Hi, I wasn't sure whether to post this in Dreaming or Stalking since dreaming is the same as near-death experiences, but near death experiences I plan to post here are excellent means of stalking the self. So I'll post it in Separate Reality. What follows will be, as I get the time, a collection of NDEs that have reports that approximate different aspects of sorcery as described by Castaneda. "The subtitle "village idiot" is a petty backlash from Ghost Dog's inability to successfully debate me. And a de facto acknowledgement by him that I am his better."
SSilhouette	Re: Near Death Experiences	#1	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/18/07 09:16:51) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* When I awoke one of the first things I said was I can see! I can see! Its as if scales have fallen from my eyes. My mother who is a nurse responded with yes, I know that you can see. It wasnt the physical seeing that I was referring to, it was the spiritual. It was if a curtain had been placed across my eyes due to a traumatic incident that happened when I was 18. It affected every part of my life. The way I acted, the way I spoke, the way I viewed relationships and the world had all been infiltrated because of this one event. I had felt dirty and harbored feelings of guilt due to what happened. I had thought that God could not look at me. I had felt that I was never good enough. Through this event, I was able to see into my own heart... ..I was able to forgive people in the past. I had previously thought that by forgiving someone was letting them off. I now realize by not forgiving them that you are bound to them. So many realizations and truths were brought to light. I experienced another 2 comas, the second in which I saw hell. I didnt sleep for 3 days in ICU after the visions I saw. You will have to contact me to find out about that one! They actually had to tie me to the bed during that coma as I was trying to pull all of my tubes out which would have resulted in death.. Carolyn's NDE This NDE talks about seeing, the non-physical seeing that cuts through the guff. Also, she cites the exact time when that natural way of seeing was interrupted and how that interruption placed a "curtain" over her (or anyone's) natural state of being able to see. Her mention of "hell" may be a description of one of the realms of the IBS. I'll try to find more on that description as I browse that site again. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
SSilhouette	Re: Near Death Experiences	#2	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/18/07 09:28:12) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's a fascinating one from someone who claims to have "memories" of being a pre-columbian native of Mexico.. *Quote:* One of the first things that I experienced was at the accident scene. There were these beings of light but not any type of light that I am familiar with it was a kind of a glow. These being were tall they didn't really seem to have faces but they were surrounding the vehicle we were in. At the time I didn't know that one of my friends was dead later I remembered seeing him lying there in covered in blood. I also did not know that my body was damaged. These beings were protecting us from these other "things" they were dark black and they seemed to buzz around like bees. They were attempting to penetrate the shield the beings of light had formed around us. They seemed to know that they couldn't penetrate it but they still didn't stop attempting to penetrate it... I remember being an indigenous person in pre-Columbian Mexico or Central America. Once again I had been or was involved in a battle I saw myself trying to climb to the top of one of the pyramids in Mexico I have always thought it was the pyramid of the Sun in the ruins outside of Mexico City. I guess I think that because I went there once to visit and I felt so at peace like I had returned home, like I had been there before yet I had never been there before that time. As I am writing this I remember that on this trip in which the accident occurred we had driven into Mexico City and I remember seeing them in the distance and longing to see them close up again wanting to be there. I cant explain this. I was trying to climb the stairs but I was wounded I felt that if I could reach the top of the pyramid I would be safe. For some reason I don't know why I believe that I was some type or warrior/Priest... ..Then I remember being in the hospital I didn't know that I as back in Texas. But I would walk around go visit the other people that were in the ICU there was one man in particular that I would go sit with I knew he was dying and so did he we communicated with each other. Much the same me and "Jesus" communicated. I would visit other people but I didn't have the same connection I had with the man that was dying. Then one day he was not there anymore he was gone. When I came out of my coma I asked my mother about him seemed shocked that I would know that he was there so I said to her its ok I know he died. She never asked me how I knew. Vinnie's NDE In this one we have what appears to be IBs vying for his soul in the beginning. Then he rounds up the account with a statement that he was in his double, doing rounds at the hospital while his body lay in a coma. Interesting that he would know the name and condition of another patient that was in ICU there..while in a coma... "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
SSilhouette	Non-lying in dreaming	#3	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/24/07 08:54:04) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* ...I closed my eyes and a few seconds later opened them again .This time there were 2 angels standing at the foot of my bed, I remember thinking that 2 angels at the foot of my bed couldn't be good. They spoke telepathically saying that God wanted to see and speak to me and to go with them. I told them " Thanks ! But I don't want to speak to him." They repeated their request and I could see they weren't going anywhere soon, so I told them I couldn't go anywhere as the doctors might turn the life support off while I was gone. They reassured me they would stand guard over my body and not let anyone turn off the life support. Normally this would not convince me ,however I could see they weren't lying, when you talk telepathically you can see inside the words and lies would be seen. Where they come from lies don't exist and telepathy being the perfect communication there are no misunderstandings.~ Rosalie's NDE This NDE describes the nature of the other realm, the realm of dreaming. Also, I believe it is the same realm as death. Dreaming is like little nightly temporary excursions with death. I remember getting into it with Wesley Dodds about how in dreaming, beings cannot lie to you. They can try to trick you with the truth, and by manipulating your bent of character; but they cannot actually lie boldfaced. I would say that some beings are better than others at masking their intent. This may be as close as you can get to lying. But if the dreamer is impeccable, s/he will learn to confront these beings directly and cleanly. Upon doing so their mask falls. As far as IBs that are simply deceased or non-organic people, the capacity to lie just isn't there. It gets more difficult than this with descritptions of different types of beings. I'm thinking that what constitutes "people" may not be as cut and dried as one would first think. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
Blackbeardd	Uncertainty	#4	[-]
Member Posts: 90 (05/26/07 18:03:04) Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.." Exactly: no one knows. NDE is an abbreviation of NEAR Death Experience. NEAR, as in "not really there".
Mornings Son	Re: Uncertainty	#5	[-]
Seer Posts: 1135 (05/27/07 02:24:47) Servant of Spirit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	'no one knows.' Well to be more modest. Blackbeardd don't know and can't believe that somebody else can know it either. Limitations of Thoughts. Me I don't believe that the earth is round, cos when I look I can see its flat! Photos of it? hahaha photos not reality, right! You can't fool me...
Blackbeardd	Round	#6	[-]
Member Posts: 90 (05/27/07 05:54:57) Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you don't believe the earth is round, go aboard a ship and sail the seas. Many sailors knew the earth was round, long before the land dwellers knew. Anyway, I was only pointing out that no one knows for sure. But if you want to believe it's a fact that there is an afterlife, be my guest.
SSilhouette	Not-wanting to see	#7	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/27/07 08:55:52) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No Abe, he's right. You don't know or understand what corroboration really means. It would be one thing if the NDE reports had unusual elements to them that didn't keep popping up again in other unrelated reporters' accounts. For instance, you don't see one post saying "..and then I was mashed up like potatoes and flipped into a frying pan.." or "..then I saw purple flying dragons with cheese shooting out of their asses" and the like. Instead, what you have with these reports are a few abstract cores that their events revolve around. For instance, you have in nearly all accounts a description of blackness followed by sun-like brilliant, yet non-harmful light. Then you have elements where the NDE sees people they knew to have died before them...consistently not seeing live people that would be fresh in their memories, but DEAD people. Strange for an hallucination wouldn't you say? Further, some of those dead people were not known to them in waking life to have died. But are later confirmed dead by the NDE talking with people once they've been revived. In addition, you have many reports giving stunningly accurate accounts with meticulous details of events they witnessed while unconscious that they could not have known about without their five senses operational. But still, you insist that there's nothing to these NDEs. Or that no one could understand the import of their meaning. I think it's accurate to say that you don't understand or rather, more accurately, that you don't want to understand them... Yes, I would say that the latter is more accurate. And part of your not-wanting, is to convince others not to want to understand either via ridicule and/or insistent attempts to debunk the NDE phenomenon. In other words your message to others is "you are foolish if you take these account seriously". And people, for the most part, don't want to be labelled as foolish, so they fall in line and your goal is accomplished: To not examine, or to not feel social pressure to examine, your current crappy life and poor choices so that you don't have to go through the agony of change. I know. Been there, done that. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
seeitall	Re: Not-wanting to see	#8	[-]
Warrior Posts: 493 (05/27/07 12:02:39) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Do you say this NDE sort of prove afterlife ? For me the only thing they prove is the existence of energy body. In such situations like NDE the awarenes is shifted into double and because most people never heard of such thing, they think that had to be an after life existence. I'm quite sure don Juan said that double cannot exist too long without physical body, so your double probably can last a litle longer after physical body death, but sooner or later it will die too. And NDE, as Blackbeardd said, = not really there, so it' more an OBE than anything else. But I'd like to hear you explanations, cause I did not study this things much.
Mornings Son	Re: Not-wanting to see	#9	[-]
Seer Posts: 1135 (05/27/07 13:51:43) Servant of Spirit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But if you want to believe it's a fact that there is NOT an afterlife (or NDE), be my guest.... hehe :) Hard to explain such things, some must be feelt or experienced first hand. Most people don't believe Castaneda or astrology or healing or in ghost.... Thunder! It's dificult.... But Ssil, is NDE of any practical use for a sorcerer? Mornings Son
Blackbeardd	Being judgemental	#10	[-]
Member Posts: 90 (05/27/07 15:07:53) Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Some of the more attentive readers here will understand that I only quoted and commented on Sil's signature. Again: no one knows for sure what will happen after death. Except Sil, of course, despite her own signature...
SSilhouette	Re: Being judgemental	#11	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/27/07 19:28:34) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This thread is about NDEs and their compelling similarities and as to how they relate to sorcery. The double doesn't disappear without a body! It is the self. The body isn't; it's merely a vehicle for the double to traipse about in the physical world. NDEs are important in that they give us a glimpse into a huge realm of sorcery unknown to even don Juan's group. When I say "sorcery" here I mean "the workings of the double", or possibly a double realm. That's why NDEs are important to consider. Anyone here willing to cheat death to find out for themself? Yeah, I'll just read the website instead.. Let's say it may not be wholly possible to say anything is true or not true. But the NDEs provide a more compelling venue to believe, given their corroborating and similar descriptions of what happens when the five sense cease to function and the double takes over.. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
seeitall	Re: Being judgemental	#12	[-]
Warrior Posts: 493 (05/28/07 03:07:34) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* The double doesn't disappear without a body! It is the self. The body isn't; it's merely a vehicle for the double to traipse about in the physical world. I believe it's part of the FI agenda to introduce the idea of immortality in everything. they say: The double, the self, the spirit, name it as you want is the important part and your physical body is just a junk of crap, a vehicle that you first devastate and then left rotten in the ground. In that belief death has no real meaning or importance, because in fact no matter what mistake or stupidity you do, you do not die, but you win, getting rid of physical body and finaly entering the realm of double. The reality is: yes, we want desperately you not to know your life is exceptionaly short and there is nothing left when you let your body die. we want your hopes in the afterlife while you idioticaly squander your only real life you have. The body and the double are equivalent, we are dual beings, and you cannot say that one part is more than other, or that one part is a self and the second part is a vehicle, or at least it was not the message left by CC. see it all -------------------- fear nothing because everything will be lost in time like tears in the rain.
SSilhouette	Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#13	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/28/07 07:32:06) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	seeitall your post reminds me precisely of why it is important to visit and read the NDE site and its posts. *Quote:* In that belief death has no real meaning or importance, because in fact no matter what mistake or stupidity you do, you do not die, but you win, getting rid of physical body and finaly entering the realm of double~ seeitall This is incorrect. According to the NDE reports, life in the physical body is all-important. Further studies I've done on after-life channeling with reports from psychics who say they channel the dead tend to corroborate that it's true. The double, or true self's occupation of a physical vessel is necessary to its advancement in a trial-by-fire arena that doesn't exist in the other realm. Physical existance is extraordinarily harrowing and has the net result of tempering the spirit for further ventures. This falls directly in line with don Juan's statement that people's mistake is to say that enduring the rigors of the nagual tempers a warrior to deal with petty tyrants. It is in fact the other way around: enduring the rigors of dealing with petty tyrants (basically the definition of physical life if you think about it long enough) tempers the spirit to advance further in the nagual. Descriptions are given of whole societies that exist in the after-physical phase wherein people who have advanced in spirit gather to go on to untold new horizons in awareness. One's we cannot conceive of currently. This is why these NDEs fascinate me. They are markedly close to features of don Juan's description of sorcery. And again, who wants to cheat death to discover for oneself? This is one instance where I'm happy to have scouts see for me and give me their description. Another uncanny similarity that NDEs report, this one nearly accross the board, is how their entire outlook on life changes, how little of what used to matter to them, matters anymore. Many report an inability to care about those things that is akin to The Place Of No Pity. There are many other similarities. I'll browse through them as time allows. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
SSilhouette	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#14	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/28/07 13:51:40) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* "..Everything I see here now is not real any more. Nothing I see is really real. What I saw over there was real. This (life) is like an imitation, because I saw the real McCoy. I do take things more seriously and listen more, but I dont take it for real. Its not as real as what I saw. But I still listen and watch the waitresses pour my coffee but its not real. Every time I pick up a magazine or watch TV, I know its material things, but its not real. "~ Larry's NDE near bottom Here a man describes almost verbatum don Juan's description of the outlook of a warrior once s/he's realized that the world is nothing but folly...important folly...but folly nevertheless. Hit the same link in the quote above, scroll to the very last quote and you'll see Analisa describing heightened awareness quite nicely: *Quote:* "..the feeling in my heart that I had when I died the first time has come back (although it is not present all the time---but when it is there everything is heightened--I can perceive things that ordinarily would not be perceived." "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
seeitall	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#15	[-]
Warrior Posts: 493 (05/30/07 02:05:49) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* seeitall your post reminds me precisely of why it is important to visit and read the NDE site and its posts. but it heavily depends on how you interpret it. If I were a christian, I would probably agree more with your interpretations then I am now. Do you remember the story when Carlos first saw the human matrix ? Carlos thought he encounered God, but the don Juan explained to him it was "just a human matrix". That's how our situation is. Our body decimated by FI, our double decimated ad starved too, and now you got a NDE and you shift you awareness into the double, who's experiences are maybe less than 5 year unfeeded child and you think I met a god, I met a deceased parents, I saw that or somewhat, I found my true self, but how much can you rely on that input ? there is a high probability you will draw your wrong conclusion based on you belief system implanted by FI. *Quote:* NDEs are important in that they give us a glimpse into a huge realm of sorcery unknown to even don Juan's group. this is interesting statement. they developed throught rigorous discipline their energy body so that they could shift into it any time they wanted, that is they could have NDE or OBE any time they wanted, and yet you state there is "a huge realm of sorcery unknown to even don Juan's group." . What kind of realm ? the realm of energy body ? They've been there billion of times as impeccable warriors, not as ********************** [censored by me - watch your language dumb*] . -------------------- there is always something
SSilhouette	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#16	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/30/07 08:50:11) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* but it heavily depends on how you interpret it. If I were a christian, I would probably agree more with your interpretations then I am now. Do you remember the story when Carlos first saw the human matrix ? Carlos thought he encounered God, but the don Juan explained to him it was "just a human matrix".~ seeitall Again, you are underlying the importance of why it's important to read the NDE accounts. Because nestled in them are descriptions that the person sees what is comfortable to them to see. In other words: what they're used to in the physical realm. For some this is Jesus. For others this is God. For others still this is the radiant forms of past dead relatives; yet I feel certain that if they were to see in that realm, the relatives etc. would appear as blobs of light energy.. The forms are adopted as a way of shock prevention. And you would glean this from reading the accounts. That realm is very much one and the same with the realm of dreamers. I feel certain of it. As a side note about christianity and Jesus. You won't find a bigger opponent of what is known today as "christianity" than me. There were things Jesus said about the realms of the unknown in some of the lost Gnostic Gospels that come shakily close to sorcery. These things were omitted from xtianity because the powers that were back then DID NOT want the common man to have access to means of personal empowerment and the potency in his/her (ESPECIALLY "HER") personal life...so the Gospels were either destroyed in part or hidden from humanity for thousands of years. There is a passage in Magdalene's (his most favorite disciple..aka "John" for acceptance to the patriarchy)Gnostic Gospel, or Phillip's, I forget which, that talks about aspects of spirituality that were so foreign to even his other disciples that when Mary talked about them with the others, they rejected them wholly because, "those things sound foreign to us..things we've never considered before..therefore they cannot be true" There was actually a spat about them between the disciples. They actually cleaved over this issue and the ones who were in favor of ignoring what Magdalene said went on to form the backbone of what "christianity" is today. Jesus may simply have been nothing more or less than a powerful warrior of supreme impeccability on a path with a heart... It's important for me and others to consider that semantics and nomenclature are all things that get in the way of seeing. When I look at the Jesus phenomenon, or rather, the christian phenomenon I writhe in disgust at what they represent. When I see the Jesus phenomenon, it boils down to a simple matter: a warrior with utmost impeccability. In that sense I'm compelled to honor his accomplishments. Just like all the others before and after him.. "Sorcery" "Christianity" etc. are just descriptions, inventories...as boring as any others. Once you become prejudiced against anything, you are hamstrung. Seeing is all that matters...well seeing and then acting of course.. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
csajaskauddy	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#17	[-]
Posts: 9 (05/30/07 13:30:49) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Should I even be commenting on your sort of far-r\fetched life situation? I think not. Rosalie's NDE interested me no end, though. Let me intersperse a few comments if you would just let me speak. Any movement of the assemblage point is like dying SSil. You know this. When I focus my seeing on that time era I know everything that took place. Naga Year-1 so to speak. That's why I don C.Skaud dual God, lord of the underworld, God of the morning star believed entire popuations disappeared in thin air. Knowing everything by noting the behavior of people of course. And understanding nothing of a warriors actions. Understanding everything and knowing nothing. You'll see that. See the introduciton to (Fire) I'm not learning enough of stalking to be truly effective as a warrior so all i'm doing is appealing to you at the moment. But the moment will change. Stupid death!
Nagual LoneWolf	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#18	[-]
Seer Posts: 6382 (05/30/07 22:46:49) Visitor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	After reading the Bible for the fourth time I realized what a marvelous document of sorecery it was. The book is filled with tales of sorcery and Jesus was its greatest sorceror. The FI does affect. The double in itself is a assemblage point. This known makes it a acceptable place to lodge when facing death.
SSilhouette	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#19	[-]
Warrior Posts: 292 (05/31/07 08:31:18) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	One other thing I find accross the board with these NDEs is that they no longer fear death...well the ones with the non-"hell" experiences . And even those who clean up their act have been assured that their post-life experience can be altered for the better. But overall, the fear of death is gone. Another thing that is accross the board is that most of these people are ANGRY that they have to come back and live. When I was doing dreaming intensely a while back, nearly devoid of stalking in my life, I had the exact same sensation. I would wake up and have to remind myself what year it was, who my children were and what my current "concerns" were. Also, I was pissed off that I had to face these "concerns" once I remembered what they were. Every morning was like that for a year or so. Stalking has been the remedy for that. Now I look as much forward to waking up as in going to sleep. Dreamers beware....dreaming is the sweet allure of death, make no mistake about it. What it does in essence is remind you that the realm after physical death is a much more sublime and welcoming one. But another thing the NDEs warn of, as did don Juan, is that as sublime as the temptation is to quit living, especially for warriors, one must continue in spite of it. There really is a plan, a reason, an intent of the spirit for each of our being here in this crazy, fucked-up, marvelous plane of existence right now. As long as you fix your intent to have a romance with the mystery of the waking world as well via controlled folly (since you will, for certain, lose your consideration of it as more real than dreaming) then you should be fine. row row row your boat gently down the stream merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
seeitall	Re: Physical arenas do matter. Very much.	#20	[-]
Warrior Posts: 493 (05/31/07 09:19:27) Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* The double in itself is a assemblage point. double == assebmlage point ? I'm a little bit lost here and need explanation. My understanding is that physical body is a bubble of energy with it's own asmebblage point and energy body is another bubble of energy whith another assemblage point. -------------------- there is always something

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