As you may know, Carlos Castaneda wrote many books about a group of subjects he met in Mexico and in the United States. Many of those he wrote about were of
his Nagual Party. Others included apprentices and the "father" of their group, the "Tenant". This Tenant was a benefactor of several Nagual
Lines which I refer to as the Crow Lineage. These Naguals with their groups left this world and went to another world/dimension where they still exist to this
day or so it is believed by those left behind. Do you believe they can be contacted? In one tale, Elias left our world and was still able to contact certain
members of Don Juan's party. In dreaming, there have been a few who dream with Castaneda and Don Jun. I have done so myself many times. I have also been
contacted by the Tenant in dreams and while awake. Once the link is made it exists. Have any of you dreams or tales to share of this matter? If not, I
challenge you to dream with Don Juan or one of the others. If your brave enough, invoke the intent to dream with Silvio Manuel. I dare you. -Lone Wolf
Contacting Existing Members Of The Tenant.
| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
 Nagual LoneWolf |
Contacting Existing Members Of The Tenant. |
Lead | |
|
Seer
Posts: 6216 (10/02/09 06:40:53) Visitor |
|
||
|
Eilias123 |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 283 (10/02/09 07:16:34) Warrior |
Sure, A couple years ago, when i was active here before.
I was having a dream about being chased by a presence i couldn't see. At one point I stopped in the dream to see what it wanted, i had to stop fearing it to do this. It walked through me and stood behind me and I recalled a dream within that dream. In the dream the entity made me recall, I was on a mountain with Carlos and Don juan. We were following a black shadow. That is all I remember. Several people wanted to dream of a mountain that night, if i recall correctly. I was always very interested in the tenant. Maybe someday I'll try to dream that.
Walking in dreams... Asleep but still awake.
|
||
|
Mornings Son |
|||
|
Seer
Posts: 984 (10/02/09 07:46:56) Servant of Spirit |
Yes I believe or rather know that they are there.
Don Genaro have given me lessons when I was in request over the last decade. I'm glad to hear that others dream with the 'old' guys too. The tenant, I have probaly dreamed with him twice, but I strongly rejected him/her - as I', not into selling my energy for power and knowledge. Sure I Will take on to dream with Silvio Manuel, Wolf.
Wings, Darkness & Shooting Star
We are here to become what can't be named |
||
|
Nagual LoneWolf |
|||
|
Seer
Posts: 6221 (10/02/09 07:53:41) Visitor |
Eilias-the black shadow was very important in your dream. The shadow led you to the abyss, gateway to a third gate in that dream.
Mornings Son-The Tenant is a deal maker but freedom often has a price. |
||
|
El Espiritu del Foro.sustainedreaction |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 2 (10/02/09 08:18:11) |
I wanted to share this with you Wolf:
The Tenant came (recently) into a dream of mine. Called my attention by presenting himself as a young, 14-years-old girl trying to seduce me(!). We changed dreams and shared a stroll and a talk on a deserted city. He offered his friendship. I like him. It's my kind of crazy. 
|
||
|
Eilias123 |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 286 (10/02/09 08:22:24) Warrior |
El Espiritu del Foro wrote:Very Strange. GS The same thing happened to me last night. I didn't log it in my dream journal. But i was watching a movie in my dream. and some 14 year old very curvy girl sat on my bed, wearing a bikini.She tried very hard to seduce me as well. was trying to watch the damn movie but this girl kept advancing. I ignored her more, and she started kissing me and then i felt like she was all around me at once and I woke up.
Walking in dreams... Asleep but still awake.
|
||
|
bluedreamer |
|||
|
Seer
Posts: 403 (10/02/09 10:13:44) |
Too bad I haven't got to the book with the tenent in yet, which book(s) does it appear in?
Yay, Eilias is sharing the same dream experience as El Espiritu! El Espiritu, that is a good avatar for you : ) ha ha ha ha!
I often say that it is best to think as little as possible.
--------Masanobu Fukuoka |
||
|
Eilias123 |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 288 (10/02/09 10:54:03) Warrior |
Blue dreamer. The most descriptive book of the tenant is in The Art of Dreaming.
And I talked with El espiritu at leangth about our dream. We are both convinced it is the same person. I'll expect the tenant to show up again soon.
Walking in dreams... Asleep but still awake.
Last Edited By: Eilias123
10/02/09 10:56:49.
Edited 1 times.
|
||
|
dreamgirl |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 167 (10/02/09 11:48:23) MODERATOR |
Elias, when was that mountain top dream? I had a similar dream with Don Juan and another man on top of a mountain, as we looked over the edge I saw the lines
of the world and energy as it flows in the universe. Needless to say, this dream knocked the shit out of me energetically. Part of the process to heal myself
from this dream led me to join a forum, Parellel Perception. My dream occured in the summer of 2006.
Dreamgirl
Your Signature ... To know is to discover and to create is to copy. Neither knowledge or creation can ever be an undertaking of a personal nature.
-CC in an interview in Magical Blend 1985 |
||
|
Eilias123 |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 289 (10/02/09 11:54:09) Warrior |
I think it was november 2006 that I had that dream. dreamgirl.
Walking in dreams... Asleep but still awake.
|
||
|
El Espiritu del Foro.sustainedreaction |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 3 (10/02/09 13:01:18) |
Eilias123 wrote:A bikini! She was dressed in mine. Call him up... I'm sure he'll answer. He/She wants to cut YOU a Deal! 
|
||
|
rosygyro |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 75 (10/04/09 09:55:56) |
I am unfamiliar with the term tenant! Is it the death defier?..
|
||
|
El Espiritu del Foro.sustainedreaction |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 6 (10/04/09 10:15:30) |
rosygyro wrote: The Nagual Death Defier = Xoxonapo = Eternal Spring = The Tenant = (many other unknown names) |
||
|
rosygyro |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 77 (10/04/09 10:51:32) |
LOts of people claim to being DEATH DEFIER(s) nowadays on forums...... do you think it is possible to be alive and dead at the same time!.
|
||
|
El Espiritu del Foro.sustainedreaction |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 7 (10/04/09 11:16:38) |
rosygyro wrote: Death Defier, on itself, is a broad term. In a nagual context it refers to the sorcerers of antiquity. Castaneda and many others say that transversing the nagual path makes people death defiers, but their bodies will still grow old and die. Some sorcerers learned a way around that. I even heard there is such a thing as Death Defeaters.. It's possible to be alive and dead at the same time: we are all in that state... living and dying in every breath. Most people doesn't want to be aware of death. Because of it they don't really live. |
||
|
Eilias123 |
|||
|
Warrior
Posts: 300 (10/04/09 13:16:51) Warrior |
I had a dream Don Genaro was in sorcery chat last night. lol
Walking in dreams... Asleep but still awake.
|
||
|
rosygyro |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 79 (10/05/09 03:40:30) |
i thought the death defier was only one being, who had fornd a "niche" in the inorganic world!
he had a feminine energy body, disguising his masculine energy from the inorganics , allowing him to move freely in their world , whilst still "touching" this world as a nagual.. from the otherside!.. what confuses me is how their can be more of them... that would require the nagual spirit to touch the earth in a pattern of "defiers" around our geographical globe... which would mean the inorganic world would have to be aligned with ours! But if that happened, the nagual force that exists on the far side of the inorganic world encompassing that world and our own... would have to become impersonal to the inorganic world and more interested in "movemnent " in ours!.... meaning the death defier as one person... would cease to exist! the question is.. does the existing death defier choose to end his current awareness glide... or does the next wave end his glide! does he jump? or does he fold? The death defiers time is at an end! what does the force that ends a thousand years of post humous awareness! feel like to the being who must jump again? a change is as good as a rest!
Last Edited By: rosygyro
10/05/09 03:43:56.
Edited 1 times.
|
||
|
Nagual LoneWolf |
|||
|
Seer
Posts: 6227 (10/06/09 19:19:14) Visitor |
THERE ARE MANY DEATH DEFIERS IN THE WORLD ROSYGYRO...THEY HAVE EXISTED FOR MANY CENTURIES.
|
||
|
Blue totem |
for rosy | ||
|
Warrior
Posts: 290 (10/08/09 18:08:33) |
Rosy, you are complicating things for yourself.
A death defier is another word for someone who can live for several hundreds of years. There have been many such people in the history of human kind. They dont advertize on street corners about their age, but they exist. Remember that when you are a fully develloped seer, you can change the appearances of your physical body at will. So you can be 350 years old in the body of a 20 year old. The Tenant or Xoxonapo, was born a male, but decided to live as a female... So Xoxonapo probably had many different appearances (male and female) during his 1000 years of life. Remember that Don Juan got his vigor from his link to Infinity. Now imagine people who devote their lives to making this link always stronger. Imagine how much life force they can find when their link to infinity is very develloped and strong. The death defier also borrowed energy from other seers... So you can imagine that with his own energy, plus the energy he borrowed, he lived quite long. Maybe he is still alive. ``When the mind is always moving, you travel from one hell to the next hell.``
|
||
|
rosygyro |
|||
|
Member
Posts: 80 (10/09/09 07:29:09) |
You cannot make your link to infinity any stronger thanc ertain perameters set by the universal construct!
At the beggining of the current age of man , one construct was set, with one nich, for an entity such as the death defier to exist! which he has done! We are now at the end of the current age! A fully devoloped TRUE seer does not age beyond the natural vigour infinity affords him! for to do so uses levels of energetic attatchment within the life process which deem him vampiric on the rest of life, hence the bing you describe is a sorcerer not a seer... a seer will not deviate from the laws of infinity.. which state vampirism is a crime against life, and hence a block to the power infinity has in its potential to exist in honour! ( although less immpeccible futures could be,) the death defier fulfilled a niche, within the slipstream if you will that headed directly toward infinity! But he did not outlive his natural potential.. FOR THE CURRENT AGE! THE NEW AGE , has certain changes in its perameter, but what these are will become clear... not be dictated by the supficial warriors battles with MEST and the four natural enemies... A sorcerer who increases his longevity through anything other than immpeccable means has failed the challenge or natural enemy termed OLD AGE AND DEATH! the death defier only slipped through a loophole , because he oriented his awareness to an arena that would guide the fellowship of man! He was a toltec to begin with! and when the new age of toltec begins i am certain he will be one again!. Although there may be a loophole to live for hundreds of years, whilst still following the path of freedom it is a lifetimes work!(LOL) and the fourth natural enemy must be encountered in freedom first!as well as the jwel of immpeccability totally honoured, as well as being severed from the tonal and nagal within the stream of life! HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? notice i claim the death defier as a warrior of freedom. If you wish to describe him as something else.. that is between you and him? HA HA! But seriously,,,, How do we live for ever? without using the fibres or energy bundles of others to support our aging frames! because i am not an unimmpeccable person! There is a myth that a certain fibre exists within the warriors path! that can be created through the vigour of the four natural challenges destruction within the self! but this fibre cannot be taken by another without that other using un-immpeccable force! ,, and also precludes the energetic attatchment to others fibres for reasons of power! but this fibre is part of the new age that is dawning! and no-one yet knows what it does if stolen, although i have an inkling!. that in a human it will initiate the warrior programme... and in an inorganic entity it will align the nexus of infinity!. every rose has its thorn!
Last Edited By: rosygyro
10/09/09 07:42:29.
Edited 1 times.
|
||
|
Blue totem |
checking | ||
|
Warrior
Posts: 292 (10/10/09 13:58:10) |
I just checked in the book '' The Art of Dreaming''. Yeah it seems the tenant was vampiric, he blackmailed the nagual Sebastian in giving him
his energy. It is written his age was several thousands of years, maybe as much as 10 000. Maybe such a feat is not about a strong link with infinity...
I remember that it was written that the tenant learned to close a certain gap in his energy... And that the way he manipulated his assemblage point was a factor in his very advanced age. ``When the mind is always moving, you travel from one hell to the next hell.``
|
||
Quick Reply
