Arnway cracks me up too, thanks arnway.....he said nut sack!
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The Integrity Of Lujan
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Posts: 45 (07/09/09 16:04:41) |
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iiop.parallelperception |
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Posts: 13 (07/16/09 15:28:17) |
gave it a chance. confronted 'lujan' regarding trying to make money simply. banned without follow up on the thread, it has been removed. since it's
nothing personal, this answers my curiosity about him. hes got the magic for sure, but not the integrity. o well.
Two horses, swiftest travelling, |
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Nagual LoneWolf |
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Posts: 6029 (07/16/09 15:48:56) Visitor |
Join the club...and be welcomed for here is a place where you can talk with warriors on the path my friend.
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iiop.parallelperception |
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Posts: 14 (07/17/09 11:59:04) |
right on. thing is i feel that way about that place too. though this feels more relaxed. hes just mistaken. too exclusive imo. i was accused of being defensive
but his maneuvre to remove the thread is nothing short of that. it is hipocrissy he has stated do not engage what you don't want to become, yet he has
engaged the thread which was begun by a nagual, perhaps he does want to become this.
anyway this is ranting. my great concern with these forums is that it is useless to engage in these dialogues, which are never a substitute for the real feelings associated with seeing and being a man of knowledge... lol controlled folly indeed. i love the translucensce of clouds, the stillness of earth. greetings nagual/s. thank you... lol Two horses, swiftest travelling, |
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Nagual LoneWolf |
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Posts: 6036 (07/17/09 17:02:45) Visitor |
I AGREE! Here we want to pursue knowledge and understand the boundaries of human perception and interaction with the Nagual.
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Posts: 554 (07/17/09 19:08:27) Member |
I agree also because I have better and more important things to do than be involved in a dispute or conflict of interest and for the record "LUJAN"
started this conflict "not me".
Welcome iiop to this forum because as you can and will see we don't feel a need to brainwash anybody but just strive to talk about our possibility and foster the expansion of our awareness and compare and share our experience without being punished for doing so. |
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iiop.parallelperception |
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Posts: 16 (07/20/09 10:10:35) |
yes knowledge and seeing are beautiful, always. a favorite lately is inner strength, listening to the powers and going beyond the boundaries which seem so
overwhelming.
thank you again for your open welcome, it is a welcome change from my interactions with EVERYBODY in my life. literally. though to be fair most people are welcoming they just dont know why, and if you tell them they cease to want. all creatures recognize the nagual, some just have different ways of managing. ie defensiveness or offensiveness. this guy just yesterday, i could see he was laughing inside as he approached me at work. he was very beligerent. he asked me if he was ready to order. like lol. you approached me you must be ready.... anyways it was his tone as if i was a total space case therefore he had to forcibly... you get the point. not used to being openly welcomed. truthfully its a bit discomforting. maybe that should be called empowering. thanks again. Two horses, swiftest travelling, |
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ARNWAY |
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Posts: 557 (07/20/09 21:52:43) Member |
No problem IIOP you can have my promise as a warrior that I will treat you with respect and I know what you are talking about when people act really nice but
it can be awkward to be yourself when it comes to the heart of the matter when conversing.
But again "WELCOME". |
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Mornings Son |
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Posts: 841 (07/31/09 01:20:44) Servant of Spirit |
About teachers and guides - I find wisdom in these words:
http://www.geocities.com/the_wanderling/guides.html
Wings, Darkness & Shooting Star
We are here to become what can't be named |
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If you want a real teacher... | ||
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Posts: 587 (07/31/09 09:02:05) |
... you have to be a REAL disciple! the rest are guidelines at most.
A the ONLY teacher is God, The Spirit, Brahman, Power, The Divine Mahashakti. A proficient benefactor is a enormous grace given by the Spirit to those desiring to become free. If you don't want to be free (not really anyway) you will find idiots suited to your ambitions, both subtle and gross.
Nagual "Juan Matus" quotes:
"Shamans have unmasked self-importance and found that it is self-pity masquerading as something else. The thrust of the warriors' way is to dethrone self-importance. And everything warriors do is directed toward accomplishing this goal." [on the flyers] "We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal." "The issue of our death is never pressed far enough. Death is the only wise adviser that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, "I haven't touched you yet." "Our link is with the spirit itself and only incidentally with the man who brings us its message."
From my Li'l Bastard General Mischief Kit (The Simpsons)
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Nagual LoneWolf |
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Posts: 6065 (07/31/09 10:25:29) Visitor |
True..the Only Teacher is Power!
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Mornings Son |
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Posts: 843 (07/31/09 13:07:55) Servant of Spirit |
yes Realizing the Path with Heart ... Beyond!
Wings, Darkness & Shooting Star
We are here to become what can't be named |
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Posts: 13 (09/15/09 23:43:41) |
I see Lujan as kinda funny
Like totaly Nagual,nothing. There is nothing wrong with anyone from some point * |
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Nagual LoneWolf |
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Posts: 6170 (09/16/09 05:44:43) Visitor |
Lujan once was a main contributer to this site. He posted many articles from his books and even had a subforum at one point. He was approached by friends who
offered to help him create his own site after suffering much abuse at the Sustained Reaction websites.
When he was up and running, he decided to erase his many posts here. I have tried to work with Lujan over the years but he has isolated himself and only accepts members who for lack of better words "worship him as a nagual/saviour". This image he has created was born from self-importance. Lujan ha never accepted or faced the Foreign Installation. This self-importance has kept him from becoming more than this strange character largely ignored in the nagual communities. The Jaguar Lineage of Naguals has been angered by him using their name in his stories he has posted online. Lujan chose to use the Jaguar in a attempt to mirror me (as a wolf-nagual). The Wolf Lineage is the oldest of the Nagual Lines and I am proud to be a part of it and thus this site. |
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Posts: 186 (09/16/09 06:10:20) Warrior |
I was a lurker at his forum a short time some years ago. I left because i just really couldn't get into his schtick. and he did really seem Self Important.
I just left because I didn't really like the vibe he gave off. Is there a way to get off his private message list? I keep getting messages.
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Nagual LoneWolf |
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Posts: 6174 (09/16/09 06:47:43) Visitor |
You would have to cancel your membership at his site or through yuku. Lujan will not remove you as he wants to have high numbers for his forum's member
count. Last time I was there before him banning me for no reason (three times now) he had maybe four regular members.
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Bearlav |
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Member
Posts: 14 (09/16/09 09:00:13) |
Eilias
Click the button spam for a message and then `mark all` |
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Eilias123 |
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Posts: 192 (09/16/09 09:39:13) Warrior |
I went into my user control panel and manually unsubscribed from his messages and also took my membership from his forum.
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dreamways |
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Posts: 314 (09/22/09 19:50:31) Visitor |
Lujan and I are mutually banned from each other's sites, but it's not forever, just until the sun burns out.
"The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus Subscribe to Nagual |
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Eilias123 |
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Warrior
Posts: 228 (09/22/09 20:00:08) Warrior |
dreamways wrote: hahaha. That's a nice way of putting it. |
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