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Posts: 95 (09/04/08 17:01:37) |
Ernest Holmes' Science of Mind, the basis of 'The Secret' says that we go into the next life with the consciousness we achieved in
this one. Christianity claims to bypass that through the forgiveness of Jesus, but I bet there's still a pecking order! Hell, only the dead
will really know.
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don
Juan
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Posts: 805 (09/04/08 16:22:07) Bright Flame |
Hi Bob and others. I reposted your post to start a new thread on this subject.
Sex is energy that can be used. Don Juan said it should not be wasted. So did my teacher and many other teachers. Celebacy that is forced on someone leads to all kinds of problems in my opinion. I blame that man made rule for a lot of the problems in the Catholic church. Their priests are victims of this forced law and the children then become victims of the priests. This rule of celebacy is man made. It only came into used about 400 years after Jesus was here. Paul said, "better to remain single than marry, better to marry than burn." But he also said that not every man could recieve this teaching. He is showing three types of people here. Or rather three ways of looking at life. Some have spiritual progression as their main purpose in life and would transmute this "Creative Energy" by certain practices. They would go far because they are using this creative energy for fuel and transmuting it. A married person can also transmute this sexual energy because it is used during a loving act. The sexual act in marriage can teach us a lot about Union with God, though on a much lower level. Someone who is "burning" is not making use of the sexual energy, but is stiffling it. Just as with siffling anything there can be problems. "I am celibate. I gave up. It's fate. Let the Spirit decide." I also have gone through periods of celebacy. Both voluntary and involuntary. Both during marriage and while single. It is not fate. It is a choice. But it is not some virtuous thing and it does no good unless you find certain practices which help you to transmute the energy. My opinions only.
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Posts: 211 (09/04/08 17:41:33) |
1. Naguals make it real simple: If you are the product of a boring fuck, you will have little sexual/desire/creative energy. If you are the product of a
passionate, loving fuck, you will have abundant sexual/desire/creative energy.
2. Depending on the amount of sexual energy that one has a person needs to be celibate or not to work his/her way in the beginning of the path. Once the process begins normal fucking just slows it down, but doesn't stop it. 3. Mens have a double problem. They loose both sexual and vital energy in fucking. Womens don't loose vital energy but they may waste sexual energy. Sexual continence solves this. 4. Sexual energy can be cultivated by stimulating the sexual chakra. 5. Abundant personal power or the rise of the kundalini shakti increases sexual energy. (one of the most common signals of the rising of the kundalini) 6. Sexual energy can be used for creative purposes, higher cohesion, moving the AP and/or simply to fuck. 7. Tantrics use the sexual act to arouse and feed the kundalini-shakti, for magic, moving the assemblage point or for intense pleasure that leads to heightened awareness. 8. If you are men and advanced enough sexual continence becomes natural and fucking is no longer an energetic issue. 9. The new issue among tantrics is choosing the right partner: Fucking involves exchange and merger of energy... if you fuck a beautiful, big breasted lady that is psychically insane you will poison your vital-energetic body... even if it is a loving fuck. Even crazy-ass fuck-as-many-as-possible tantric gurus ignore this small fact and end up fucking themselves. If you want to fuck and be a spiritual person you will need right partner(s). 10. Finally... sex is not such a big deal! Fuck, don't... but don't be obsessed with it! PS: I would like to thank my parents for fucking like frisky animals in my conception. At least they did ONE thing right! 
"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger." -The Joker
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Posts: 143 (09/04/08 19:16:24) |
In my experience, you can have an active sexual life, and have high levels of energy at the same time.
``When the mind is always moving, you travel from one hell to the next hell.``
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Posts: 325 (09/05/08 12:10:16) Member |
Interesting and a most serious topic I agree. My parents told me of the time that they had sex when I was conceived and it was when my father went on a hunting
trip for a month out west in the mountains to hunt for Elk and Mule Deer and was told before he left for the trip that they had a fuck fest and when my father
came back my mother was pregnant, from all the other six children that they had they remembered when they fucked to have me. I have abundant sexual energy and
when I have sex with my wife for over an hour at a time at times I have my best dreaming energy and found that after good sex I had my most profound dreams.
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Posts: 114 (09/05/08 19:02:01) Member |
a little well known fact here....9 out of 10 male warriors proclaims themselves as not a product of bored sex...lol, go figure.
An interesting quote, not to be over looked. On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing.
"Is it from the moment of conception or from the moment of birth that
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Posts: 224 (09/05/08 19:39:23) |
mollymarie wrote:Haha, who knows! If he is a tantric it doesn't matter anyway. If you fuck and dream fairly well it's not a coincidence. Boring sex or not, fucking to much fucks you up spiritually, regardless of how well and much your patents used to screw.
"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger." -The Joker
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Posts: 152 (09/05/08 20:39:44) |
I question the fact about the boring sex.
I don't believe that the intensity of sex could affect the outcome of the siblings levels of energy. I respect Don Juans knowledge but... It`s a hard pill to swallow. Gess I would have to be a seer to really know. ``When the mind is always moving, you travel from one hell to the next hell.``
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Posts: 97 (09/06/08 12:43:51) |
I was in an odd state of mind when I started this, somewhat flip about it too.
I 'm an odd bird as I was conceived in trickery , raised in brutality. Maybe that's why I'm pro-choice on contraception and /or termination of pregnancy. Of course I am aware of what CC wrote about it. Cohorts of sorcerers don't have children. None mentioned in the 10 books , other than recapitulation. Just today I was thinking that it isn't that I don't like children , I just don't like other people's' children. I have none of my own. Those people I know who have kids just get creepier, to me at least. Maybe they're losing their edge. I don't know. Keep exploring, maybe I'll learn something.
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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Posts: 810 (09/06/08 13:49:31) Bright Flame |
"Those people I know who have kids just get creepier, to me at least. Maybe they're losing their edge."
Funny those people that have kids think those that don't get creepier too. "On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing." How would you like that on your conscience/karma. To sponsor a bill that allowed/required doctors to kill them once they are out and crying. Now THAT is creepy. Given enough time that practice and all who sponsored it would pass up Hitler's record.
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Posts: 103 (09/07/08 15:13:33) |
Bob May , in all honesty, no such thing has ever been considered outside of FASCISM. It is PROPAGANDA. Your fears are being manipulated by master black witches. For various health reasons, both physical and mental, average human women may need to have an abortion. It is not for you or I to decide. Again , I repeat, no AFTER BIRTH KILLINGS are LEGAL. Look it up, and I don't mean Rush Limbaugh. You are a victim of FI.
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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Posts: 105 (09/08/08 14:03:48) |
I have yet to perfect the Light Touch of Nagualism
My correction is that I speak as a North American, where Infanticide is illegal. If Infanticide is being committed here, I want to see proof. I don't mean dialog from politicians , preachers or pundits. I mean medical and police records. That is not to say that some will get away with murder. Shit happens. Of course, America is rife with domestic and child abuse. Priests abuse kids while the church leadership preaches against abortion and prophylactics. Hmm. Maybe they need new flesh. Same for fundamentalist Mormons where boys are abused in all kinds of ways because of the competition for girls in a polygamist society. Just examples of Collective FI mind. Infanticide? Look to Asia and Africa, where girls are a burden to a family. If the babies aren't killed, they're sold to Pimps and westerners with sexual obcessions. Male chauvanism abuses women and children worldwide , and then women react with their own forms of FI. South America? Irresponsible sex , political and criminal murders have deposited thousands of homeless children on the streets of Brazil. Paramilitaries round them up , kill them and dump the bodies with the garbage. Here's a new Collective for you. No one can turn a back on these things, divert to inane issues. YOU are as responsible as the Perps, for YOU sink into Apathy and disillusion. (I don't mean Bob May specifically) What I'm sayin' here is that although we must be dispassionate, we still have responsibility to the Spirit. That means to get smart and not be misled by an FI feeding frenzy. That means to have some understanding of the difference between foolishness and REAL criminality. Each of us, starting with our own self-importance, can make a difference in some small way ( at least where allowed as other's self-importance may block your efforts). Think! Find your own possibilities beyond the self when able. Yes , I recognize Bob May's work in that area, but self-righteousness cannot be a part of it. Hell, there may be nothing that can be done about our situation other than to try. Death IS waiting and life goes on with you or without you.
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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Posts: 813 (09/08/08 15:32:20) Bright Flame |
"On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing."
"How would you like that on your conscience/karma. To sponsor a bill that allowed/required doctors to kill them once they are out and crying. Now THAT is creepy. Given enough time that practice and all who sponsored it would pass up Hitler's record. My correction is that I speak as a North American, where Infanticide is illegal. If Infanticide is being committed here, I want to see proof. I don't mean dialog from politicians , preachers or pundits. I mean medical and police records. That is not to say that some will get away with murder. Shit happens." You want proof don't ask me for it. visit the dumpsters behind abortion clinics. "Bob May , in all honesty, no such thing has ever been considered outside of FASCISM. It is PROPAGANDA. Your fears are being manipulated by master
black witches."
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Posts: 115 (09/09/08 07:26:07) Member |
Cohorts of sorcerers don't have children. None mentioned in the 10 books , other than recapitulation.I suppose there is a reason you are not counting La gorda? |
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Posts: 106 (09/09/08 14:35:43) |
Moralism , dogma , fear and misinformation from the Christian radicals.
For what its worth , Obama did no such thing. Where's the proof? Now , the original topic: perhaps a selfish question on my part concerning the lusts and hangups of very obvious average humans, a place I have found myself in up to now. Sometimes it seems to me that so-called love is just a meeting of agreeable FI's. Leadership: that is what the Nagual is about. It's not a configuration that just anyone can wield. That means that the Nagual lives a different life from others in order to be beyond emotional or collective concerns, so that decisions are dispassionate. Then again, what about the Nagual Julian? He naver gave up his sex life, apparently, and if you consider his times, some form of birth control , herbal likely, was used.. Sorry folks, it's my opinion that the Nagual is about Smart vs Stupid, Cause and effect, not knee-jerk religious viewpoints that have no basis outside of a book. Sure , books have wisdom to find, but the truth of that wisdom is within ourselves , not in a legalistic word. Yeah. Legalism. Not justice . Not understanding of the problems of the lost. Dogma that just loves you until you are born, and then subjects the being to abuse of all kinds , which I named some of previously and of course was ignored. That's how FI works. Keeps people focused on a system rather than actual sensibilities. A system that blocks a true 'higher self. ' That's why I have an interest in Amerind culture . They didn't have these kind of ridiculous problems before Columbus brought greed , murder and Christianity. The Indians embraced their Mother and Grandfather and were naturally born into a self at least higher than Western Man. What the hell do you think the Sorcerers were trying to survive? Christian missionaries. Oh , I see the the other places WERE addressed after all. What can I do about it ? Go there in dreaming as super Nagual and smite the evil-doers? While American soldiers are ordered to torture and murder women and children. Man, your priorities are all out of order. And, if you study it carefully , you will find that a lot of these third-world problems were exacerbated by the colonial , imperialist policies of Western powers
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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Posts: 116 (09/10/08 07:15:24) Member |
lmfao
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Posts: 5467 (09/11/08 09:45:26) Visitor |
Sexual energy is like everything else..how we use it , store it, and make it with our intents.
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Posts: 107 (09/11/08 14:14:04) |
This line is dead and a waste of energy.
I intend to address FI on the thread devoted to that in a few days . The short of it is that FI is anything that comes between you and Spirit. That is , a 'screen ' , agents, interpreters, authorities, nations , on and on. As to the politics and theologies, it's all LIES. As to Barak Obama, that stuff about him is lies as well. Here's a sample. In the 2000 US election, particularly in the South Carolina primary election, agents favorable to W Bush spread rumors that John McCain had a negro child, implying that it was from an affair outside marriage. The FI tookroot, the fools believed it and McCain lost to Bush. The child was actually an adopted Cambodian, but FI turned a kind act into a SIN. Slick sorcery , eh? Don't believe me, look it up for yourself, if you have the energy. A black love child? That went down real well here in the south. People perceive what they want to according to their 'training ' by the FI. The FI needs slaves, if you can accept what is in "The Art of Dreaming".
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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Posts: 10 (09/13/08 16:02:57) |
I believe the FI's are somewhere in between the mind and heart.We miss the mark by 18 inches.More than likely the breeding ground of FI's . The crap
that comes out of the mouth is the source of FI's . Spilt milk, unresolved matters stirs up the IB's realm. To me it sounds the same as "spiritual
warfare"that the NT writes about. . "For we wrestles not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. So important yet so hard to become a humble warrior.
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Posts: 820 (09/14/08 03:35:52) Bright Flame |
Amen to that brother!
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Posts: 116 (09/17/08 14:01:16) |
The FI is a false mind. Thought blocking Spirit. It's in the books, but I don't cite the books. I cite the gong that went off in my ear that said,
'Yeah , that's true.' Sex has become and always was, likely , just another commodity of trade. Everybody just takes , nobody gives, therefore,
no satisfaction (I can't get no...). No freedom, all kinds of judgements (why are you doing that, don't look at me, that's perverted! etc etc
etc) Even the whores judge the johns. The result: children born of a few minutes of desperation that nobody knows how to deal with, at least in a
harmonious manner.
Sure there are exceptions . I don't know them , probably have nothing in common with them. Most people I see are totally unaware , as I was myself. And no , my requirements were not so far out or illegal , and I can't be more specific than that here. OK , one specific, I like the light on while she wears her hat. HeHEHe. But seriously, I would end up frustrated and then indulge with my own FI. Another thing: don Juan says that sex is only for babies. I don't have to agree with that, I'm not , or likely to be a Toltec apprentice. I can still advance awareness , though. In fact, these women that use fertility drugs and have litters like a cat? Gross!
... The idea of the personal self has no value whatsoever....To Abstract means to make yourself available to the Spirit by being aware of it. don Juan
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