About a week ago I did have a dream seeing someone that kinda looked like Tom Hanks that was clean cut with short hair with a light shirt on maybe tan color
and when I seen this figure I assumed it was a I.B. and pointed my finger and shouted that it had no right to be in my dream and asked if it was a foreign
installation but it did not turn into a blob of opaque energy but still looked at me so I changed my dreaming scene.
R E A L I T Y
1 Kudos
LUJAN'S TRUE "INTENT"
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Posts: 200 (06/29/08 17:23:56) Member |
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Posts: 201 (06/30/08 12:00:00) Member |
I can not because I am banned as I am at this very time.
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ARNWAY |
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Posts: 202 (06/30/08 12:33:42) Member |
Something that everyone has to consider is that I went to this extreme to begin with the topic thread (Lujan's True Intent) is because Lujan wants to
dominate the C.C. forums via merging with the Seperate Reality site when Lujan has nothing to do with C.C. or the teachings of Don Juan and how in the hell are
you to get so fucking mad at me for doing this?
Who is the control freak here? A Carlos Castaneda site such as Wolf's in my opinion should not merge with some Asian nagualistic version, it should be Separate. When have you ever heard of D.J. talking about Dragons or the Yin and Yang symbols? Explainations from the nagual himself that makes no sence because of such abstract dialog. Lujan belittled Carlos but at least Carlos made sense and made the abstract tangible. Just my opinion.
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Posts: 7 (06/30/08 16:29:44) |
If we are to believe the legend of the "3 pronged nagual" then this happens every many thousands of years and Castaneda was not the first with this
kind of energy configuration neither will he be the last in that respect. At some point another with this energy configuration will emerge.
Now how do we come to terms with the ending of a particular lineage if that indeed is what has occurred and more importantly how do we address the more important significance of a 3 pronged nagual emerging and passing during our lifetime? Of what significance is this for the rest of us? The Tenant took a particualr interest in a certain lineage that we know of. (Perhaps there were also others we know nothing of.) He interfered with that lineage of which Carlos is a beneficiary. The Tenant changed the course of that lineage. DJ never seemed to tire of telling Carlos of the immeasurable significance of this event. Then we get all the talk of the new seers and how much more disciplined and less indulgent they were. They were not so concerned with the second attention though they certainly acknowledged it. Their attention was drawn eslwhere. I still think that the full significance of the designs of the Tenant have not been fully appreciated. Such beings are staggering in their scope and daring. We have trouble planning a week. Beings like the Tenant are able to anticipate cycles and act accordingly. Carlos has been a good introduction. One also has to take into consideration that Intent is not just concerned with one particular lineage of one particualr culture. I would have thought that was obvious! The Old nagual Lujan came from the East and introduced Eastern aspects into that lineage that the Tenant interfered with. Intent brought this nagual from the East. The Tenant and the Old Nagual Lujan seemed to share a deep affinity for each other. We certainly have not seen the likes of any like the Tenant when it comes to dreaming. It is not that much of a stretch to further consider that these two have now hooked up in dreaming to excercise their designs, After all the Tenant shared a lot of dreaming positions with the Old Nagual Lujan. Perhaps becuase of his Eastern disciplines the Old Nagual Lujan was better able to handle those gifts of the Tenant without becoming abberant himself. Now I understand the dilemma here. Carlos tells us that that Lineage was to end with him. Then here comes Lujan with his book TAOSPP and he tells of how the Old Nagual Lujan, and friends are interfering with him and taking him in a new direction. Now Arrano you think that any information coming from Lujan should be kept seperate from Carlos's information and that they should not be confused as similar and that there is no possibility of any cross pollination so to speak. What purpose would it serve not to water the seeds planted by Carlos Castaneda? Do these realities have to be kept so seperate? Lex |
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Posts: 203 (06/30/08 17:18:28) Member |
I will keep everything in consideration and lets get every ones elses opinion on what you stated above.
My opinion is just that, an opinion. I still don't take what you stated as factual if it came from Lujan's dream of his teachings--------------------------------The Old nagual Lujan came from the East and introduced Eastern aspects into that lineage that the Tenant interfered with. Intent brought this nagual from the East. The Tenant and the Old Nagual Lujan seemed to share a deep affinity for each other. We certainly have not seen the likes of any like the Tenant when it comes to dreaming. It is not that much of a stretch to further consider that these two have now hooked up in dreaming to excercise their designs, After all the Tenant shared a lot of dreaming positions with the Old Nagual Lujan. Perhaps becuase of his Eastern disciplines the Old Nagual Lujan was better able to handle those gifts of the Tenant without becoming abberant himself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From my understanding that is based more on historical facts that Don Juan Matus said that his knowledge derived from the Toltec's and not from the eastern influence, I remember that he encouraged warriors to practice martial arts but not much more than that from what I remember from reading the teachings of D.J. Lets get every ones opinion on this subject because I think this could be very educational for every one since we all have an interest with this subject. I have been critical with everyone and hate to be a dick head about my approach but we all need to look at what we cling onto and not take things for granted and I'm no exception on what path we choose to live and follow. |
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Posts: 4 (07/01/08 07:52:46) |
Do you want everyones opinion, or do you want your clan to further bolster your denial so you never have to face yourself?
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Posts: 189 (07/01/08 14:30:53) Member |
This may be off the top and maybe not entirely on topic. And, maybe just my personal view.
While teachers and various teachings are a good thing ; and, individuals differ in their needs and perceptions and abilities. Is it not possible that there are certain principles that are common to all, east , west , old and new , at least within this part of the universe we inhabit. The best metaphor I've come across is gardening : things are set up so that we get what we plant ; beans don't grow from corn seeds , for example. And perhaps, the loving care the gardener applies to the garden is an example of Intent. Moreover , the environment does not wage war against itself, as humans do. There is harmony, even though predation is a part of that harmony. (I mention predation as one of the unique lessons from Castaneda ) I have been thinking about the nature of Wisdom and the lack thereof , and that we, as a people, arrive at wisdom by dispassionate consultation and debate of all things of the body , Spirit and mind. This means being open to positive change, there is no finality for mortals, no absolutism, (aha! except death-almost forgot) as most religions and societies have mistakenly claimed. ie: no mortal human can know the nature of God, we see only principles and effects, at least when we can acknowledge them . Personally, I have found this last sentence I wrote to be a great relief. The great question is answered.
Hawkeye and Crow
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Posts: 204 (07/01/08 15:36:39) Member |
Bob Carr wrote.<---------While teachers and various teachings are a good thing ; and, individuals differ in their needs and perceptions and abilities.
Is it not possible that there are certain principles that are common to all, east , west , old and new , at least within this part of the universe we inhabit. >-------------------------------------------- The answer is alignment with "intent" of whoever or whatever and my personal preference is to not align my intent with Lujan because he was taught by foriegn energy that he at the time did not have the power to see but just observe when he had his dreams that he was taught from and I personally do not need to take any chances to have him to tell me what to think and how to interpret my perception. If other people feel a need to have Lujan as there leader then listen and open your heart to him but me personally do not have a need for him to interpret my perception. The secret to all of this is the alignment of intent-I have not seen personally where Lujan has proved to have such pure intent that is impeccable. |
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Posts: 205 (07/01/08 18:56:32) Member |
Glance i totally disagree with what you mentioned. <-----------------Arnway....don Juan's knowledge was derived from the Toltecs...but that knowledge
was subject to adaptation just as every living thing that intends to survive is subject to on this planet. Thus, each new nagual brought with him/her the
elements of adaptation within their bent of character, their experiences...the filigree of their individuality. Power hand picked each of them for these
variable qualities to fullfill the needs of evolution...just like power chooses the recombination of our DNA for the same needs. Lujan was from the East...and
you can bet that all of those qualities that he embodied from his eastern experiences were woven into the lineage at that point...just as Power designed. It
was auspicious that Lujan injected eastern influences when he did....helping to manifest the shift to the mood and pursuits of the New Seers.
>------------------------------------------------------------ Glance believe what you want but you can take your assumptions of adaption of your constructs and make love with them and have baby's that have the intent of a Mutt- Dog and then try and figure where your heritage comes from. Purity of intent is not an accident when it comes from the warrior realm and if you want to roll the dice with your intent then Bingo for you Glance if you want to leave it to chance. I derive my actions from walking the walk and not talking as you are good at. Glance has it ever it occurred to you that I am a nagual myself? Lujan reminds me of a Jahova witness going door to door trying to convince people that he is the new nagual and wants money and support.
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Posts: 8 (07/01/08 19:24:17) |
Can we stop making this about Arrano and just focus on the information???
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Posts: 9 (07/01/08 20:29:27) |
Then I look at what you are posting Arrano and as much as I want to open any way possible for an honest diagogue you close it down and spiral it back into
agenda. This is so fucking elementry. There is so much of worth to discuss but this childish bickering hinders everything and is no better than new age
bullshit...WTF It you wish to enter the domain of Toltec wisdom for real you have just got to let go of this self importance.
Now I understand that the ediface you have built for yourself is not easy to back away from and then to undergo an assault from others makes it nigh impossible. But what about the possibility of collaboration that Lujan has recommended? Surely there is nothing wrong with this. How can we foster this intent? There is so much I wish to discuss, for all our sakes. We are at a pivotal moment which I wish to understand more thoroughly. We have bearly scratched the surface. We stand on a new horizon. What is it that we survey? We need every able body to discern the disigns of Intent that swirl about us in this moment. How do we get past this fucking bickering and focus on what is important. If we cannot do that then I am ashamed to be associated with any of this. We all love Castaneda and what he represents. If it were not for him would any of us be here speaking with each other in these terms? Yet as I say that Castaneda is just not indespensable! I do not wish to withdraw from this kind of dialogue anymore than I wish you Arrano to withdraw. You have obviously spent a lot of time tyring to come to terms with the world of Castaneda. Some of the members of PP have also done the same. Some of those members are scratching their heads when it comes to Castaneda and saying...."wait a minute is this all there is....is this what he really meant or is this just a representation of what he was struggling to understand at that time?" If we cannot allow ourselves to question what Castaneda presented then we are no better than the born again christians who do not dare question their idol Jesus as he is presented in a book. If we were to look for people who are more spiritually advanced than Castaneda we would not have to look very far. If this is not obvious by now then I suggest the scope of inquiry is too narrow! Everybody....what we are looking into here is bigger than us all. After we are all dead and gone it will continue! Sometimes I just want to fucking scream! WE ARE NOT ENEMIES!!!!!!! We do not have all the answers! Is that not part of the joy of discovery? Is this not so fucking obvious? So I am asking, forget what it is we all think it is we fucking know.... How do we come together? Do we not love what it is we are into here? We do not have to like each other...how petty would that be? By now we I think we all realise there is a certain fierceness that stalks amongst us. I am reminded of that fierce Samurai warrior that was so distgusted with Tom Cruise's character that he would beat him down just for daring to touch a samurai sword. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTXGRtAQWiM&feature=related Can we give each other a little room here? Do we even want to? Lex |
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Posts: 69 (07/01/08 20:40:09) Member |
Hi lex =) As to the information, I was hoping someone could point me to perhaps the book and page number in carlos' or the witches books where it states that lujan was from the east. I recall talk of the orient in the witches books but thats about it...Id like to read what it is people have been referring to, as I don't recall reading it myself. Bob carr said: And perhaps, the loving care the gardener applies to the garden is an example of Intent.The way plants react to us fascinates me. Years when I have been busy around sprouting time, my plants suffer, even tho I have still found the time to water them and give them the basic things that they need to live. It is only when I have the time to fawn over them, admire them, talk to them, and spend time with them that they grow exceptionally well. I'm not exactly implying that plants need humans to grow and live well, only that they seem to thrive more when we interact with them. |
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Posts: 10 (07/01/08 20:50:31) |
Sometimes the sky is sooooo beautiful, like a tear falling, for which I would give everything!
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Posts: 70 (07/01/08 20:52:20) Member |
lol lex you're so passionate....
its beautiful really.
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Posts: 11 (07/02/08 06:19:49) |
Mollymarie, Thanks
You will find some of that info about the lineage in The Art Of Dreaming under the Tenant chapter if I remember. Lex |
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Posts: 80 (07/02/08 09:00:54) VRILL |
Hi Lex
Thanks for your refreshing perspective! Regarding Intent, I have been personally working on my motivation as well. I'm a Tibetan Buddhist, they call this process, "developing Bodhichitta" or right motivation. The idea is that we work for a larger purpose than just for our own selfish interests. It doesn't mean abandoning all self-interest, but changing the focus of our intent to something greater. We enlarge the Self in the process. Part of this process it taking the Bodhisattva vow. I took this in a ceremony last week. My teacher explained that it's not like other vows however, and that you can take the Bodhisattva vow as many times as you want, and that it's not a vow that you can "break" like monastic vows for example. Since it's basically an aspiration to do things from an unselfish perspective, and needs to be strengthened as much as possible. 
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Posts: 71 (07/02/08 09:51:16) Member |
Ya there's a bit of info about Lujan and the other naguals of Don Juans lineage in the art of dreaming, but nothing about lujan being from the east. It must be in another book...Maybe it's in active side of infinity? Ive only read that one once so maybe thats why I dont remember it....Perhaps glance knows where it can be found.... |
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Posts: 31 (07/02/08 10:43:46) |
"Glance has it ever it occurred to you that I am a nagual myself?"
You mean via the writings in your posts? This is a joke, right? |
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Posts: 32 (07/02/08 10:56:19) |
Vrill,
I've been practicing meditation with those of the Shambhala division of Buddhism. The characteristics of the Bodhisattva (sp?) are of great interest to me right now. The notion of weaving compassion into the vast adventurousness of warriorism seems to me to be one of potent synergy. Did you know that Cleargreen has just now begun collaboration with Shambhala buddhists...specifically working with Chogyam Trungpa's son, who now oversees the lineage? They will be joined together at the Shambhala Mountain retreat within a month for a workshop..integrating mindfulness meditation and elements of Tensegrity that employ the energy of the Quetzalcoatl principle. |
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Posts: 81 (07/02/08 12:54:08) VRILL |
Glance:
Thank you for that information! Maybe it's time for me to have another look at Cleargreen. My teacher is in Kagyu tradition. (same as Shamballa) I was in the Shamballa trainings when they first started, then I switched to Theravadan Insight meditation (Thai, Sri Lanka) Now I'm firmly back in the Kagyu lineage again which is where I started really. I met a large number of current and former Shamballa people at a retreat last week. My theory is that if you are working for big ideas like "world peace" or "relief of suffering of all beings:" then you are attached to a much bigger power source. Also you don't create bad Karma either. I am defining Karma simply as the law of cause and effect.
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